Took her for a test ride. After having replaced one of the angle (ball) joints of the gearshift lever linkage, I now changed the worn out plastic bushings of the gearshift lever which were also worn. Replaced with PTFE coated metal bushings (14/20x9mm). Snug fit, no more wobbling. With the 2 measures no more clunking when shifting to 2nd and 3rd gear.
Sounds like something worth doing, ill check it out new year. Thanks for advice mate.
After having replaced one of the angle (ball) joints of the gearshift lever linkage (as the rivet type mounting had become loose) I have to adjust the gearshift lever now as I can get my foot only with gymnastics under the lever.
I added the pic from my previous post (one page back) about the angle joint again. The replacement is the M6 in the attached pic. Got it in SS with dust cap. Also added a washer and medium loctite. Also remember that one angle joint is right hand thread and the other is left hand. I still need to source the LH but it has only minor wiggle.
In the German forum are quite a few who have done this. Many needed to do it at relatively low mileage. I think the mileage the original riveted joints and plastic bearing last depends much on how heavy a foot you have.
Little money and effort - big difference :)
Good result Andre :onya:
Thank you.
As I am still not satisfied with gearshifting smoothness I'll do a bit more. Inspired by a German forum where putting in a new SPRING, number 25 in attached pic improved shifting a bit. I will also change numbers 20,21 (2x),24,27 (3x), as the gear shift shaft (17) has a little play. Will report here when the results are in (before season starts).
sorry to bother you Andre, is this the joint i need? had a look at mine ball joint has movement, also the bush. any idea where i can source the bush. https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1PCS-Angle-Shape-Rod-End-Joint-Bearing-Ball-Joint-Rod-Bearing-Ball-End-Bearing/172780203802?hash=item283a80af1a:m:mOmFPPkzEclASN2jXt1dkaw
sorry double post, Andre on top of link i sent they advertise lh thread rose joints. is that what we need for front end?
My solution with inox joint and new shifting rod here...
http://www.motorkari.cz/motorka/?mid=68345&act=moto-denik-detail&ddid=59000
No bother
@grog That rose joint should be fine. Just double check the dimensions. Front joint is RH, the one attached to the lever is LH. I like the ones I used as they can be taken apart for thorough maintenance.
The first 2 links are stainless steel. Unfortunately two different suppliers as one doesn't have the LH and the other the RH.
RH https://www.ebay.de/itm/M6-VA-Winkelgelenk-DIN-71802-Edelstahl-V2A-Kugelgelenk-Edelstahl-CS-RH-M-6/162654729737?hash=item25defa3609:g:upwAAOSwo8hTrV62 (https://www.ebay.de/itm/M6-VA-Winkelgelenk-DIN-71802-Edelstahl-V2A-Kugelgelenk-Edelstahl-CS-RH-M-6/162654729737?hash=item25defa3609:g:upwAAOSwo8hTrV62) This doesn't come with the seal. It can be obtained from him however. https://www.ebay.de/itm/4-Winkelgelenk-M6-Dichtkappe-Neopren-Dichtung-DIN-71802-M-6-Neu/160914399532?hash=item25773ee12c:g:cr0AAOxyu1FRl0il (https://www.ebay.de/itm/4-Winkelgelenk-M6-Dichtkappe-Neopren-Dichtung-DIN-71802-M-6-Neu/160914399532?hash=item25773ee12c:g:cr0AAOxyu1FRl0il)
LH https://www.ebay.de/itm/Winkelgelenk-Kugelgelenk-CS-LH-DIN-71802-M6-Links-V2A-Edelstahl-mit-Dichkappe/152737530954?hash=item238fddc44a:g:v8gAAOSwxu1Z3JwO (https://www.ebay.de/itm/Winkelgelenk-Kugelgelenk-CS-LH-DIN-71802-M6-Links-V2A-Edelstahl-mit-Dichkappe/152737530954?hash=item238fddc44a:g:v8gAAOSwxu1Z3JwO)
Here are standard (steel/zinc plated) with seal from one supplier.
RH https://www.ebay.de/itm/M6-Winkelgelenk-mit-Neopren-Dichtung-Kugelgelenk-CS-RH-DIN-71802-M-6-Neu/160914397697?hash=item25773eda01:g:Qt8AAOSwnipWUHOX (https://www.ebay.de/itm/M6-Winkelgelenk-mit-Neopren-Dichtung-Kugelgelenk-CS-RH-DIN-71802-M-6-Neu/160914397697?hash=item25773eda01:g:Qt8AAOSwnipWUHOX)
LH https://www.ebay.de/itm/M6-Winkelgelenk-links-mit-Neopren-Dichtung-Kugelgelenk-CS-LH-DIN-71802-M-6-Neu/150786387253?hash=item231b91ad35:g:VbMAAMXQ8ABRlplj (https://www.ebay.de/itm/M6-Winkelgelenk-links-mit-Neopren-Dichtung-Kugelgelenk-CS-LH-DIN-71802-M-6-Neu/150786387253?hash=item231b91ad35:g:VbMAAMXQ8ABRlplj)
The bushings I used were a nice find by German-forum member. Simple install. Previously people used bushings made from sintered bronze, had to work them with a reamer to fit. I dont have the dimensions of the sintered ones. But you could orient yourself on these in the link.
Unfortunately they send these only to Germany, for your reference: https://www.ebay.de/itm/2-Gleitlager-1209-12-x-14-20-x-9-mm-wartungsfrei-mit-Bund-/162814339976? (https://www.ebay.de/itm/2-Gleitlager-1209-12-x-14-20-x-9-mm-wartungsfrei-mit-Bund-/162814339976?)
I'll be happy to get these bushings for those interested and ship them. Two of them cost me about 6 € (2€ postage incl.). Larger packs are cheaper (example 10 for about 21€), which would be an option if there are several who want to order together.
Quote from: V_i_c_i on Sunday, 24 December 2017, 09:26 PM
My solution with inox joint and new shifting rod here...
http://www.motorkari.cz/motorka/?mid=68345&act=moto-denik-detail&ddid=59000
Plenty of choices now :)
Really nice work on your 14 :smitten:
Thank you.
would this be ok for gear lever, not a bush but with plenty of grease, should be ok? 20mm outside, 14mm inside x 10mm long. needle roller bearing. https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/HK1410-14mm-x-20mm-x-10mm-Full-Complement-Drawn-Cup-Needle-Roller-Bearing-5pcs/302415285034?hash=item46695b0b2a:g:X~4AAOSwXedZ2rp1
@grog The dimensions are not correct!
Outside diameter needs to be 14mm, inside diameter 12mm. 10mm length would be ok as there is plenty of gap (could even be a little longer, would then just prodrude a little over the notch of the "axle". The 20mm in the bushings I used refer to the outside band. If you use something without a band you would need to make up for this by using appropriate washers (otherwise the lever would slide in and out). Or you could just let the bearings protrude out by the appropriate amount.
Needle bearing is just fine. Know of someone who used them with no issues (were from roller blades)
Quote from: Andre on Tuesday, 26 December 2017, 09:29 PM
@grog
Needle bearing is just fine. Know of someone who used them with no issues (were from roller blades)
Sorry, remember now that there was the "small" issue that he had to mill down the pin the lever rotates on, to make it fit the needle bearing.
Couldnt find another bearing correct size, just ordered bushes. Had to buy 10 so some spares for anyone in Oz that wants one. Will make sure its correct first.
Andre, received my gear lever bushes. 12mm inside perfect on shaft. 14 outside. so now i can remove plastic bush, it will fit also into gear lever? just a bit scared to destroy plastic bush before i know new will fit. thankyou.
There are 2 of the plastic bushes, one from each side. You can lift them plastic bushings out easily with a small screw driver. They come out undamaged unless you do it in very cold temperature as the plastic becomes brittle. Fat chance of that in your neck of the woods :worshippy:
The new ones I got where a little tight after fitting into the gear lever. After carefully (wood piece, small hammer) putting them on the shaft they fit perfect. Your new ones may differ.
Quote from: grog on Wednesday, 10 January 2018, 07:21 PM
...it will fit also into gear lever?
Don't know what you mean by that.
thank you Andre. my confidence restored. love your work. very helpfull. your input appreciated. i know its only a small thing but would be big to me if it didnt fit. will let know result. all thanks. no def. not cold here. 35 today with big warnings of huge heat for weekend.
@grog Did it all fit? Does it improve the shifting for you?
Andre, fitted new metal bush, spaced with a couple of washers. Plenty of heavy grease. Havent changed rose joints yet, lubed them up pretty well. All working fine.
I did the metal bush gear lever upgrade today, all of 15 minutes work and what a difference it had made, no play in the lever now and much more positive gear changes
Thanks for the info
Pete
Guys, keen to do the same, what parts do I need? New ball joint ends RH and LH and bushes? Available off ebay?
Eric, been a while since gear bushes. I never changed rose joints, just filled with anti dust spray grease. Still good. Ill have a look if i kept spare bushes, cant remember. Very cheap online, cant rem size, maybe 14 od and 12 id, not sure.
Thanks Andre, my eBay account looks like I can order the bushings with delivery to the UK. Will let you know if it works.
Quote from: Smu71 on Monday, 15 April 2024, 11:16 PMThanks Andre, my eBay account looks like I can order the bushings with delivery to the UK. Will let you know if it works.
Hope it works for you. As the measurements are provided, alternatives should be found in UK as well. Need help with translation? Ask Google's translator or myself :smile2: