Hi All
I used to be a member of the old org forums.
Sadly with a child and work, and other persoanl issues.
I dropped off the planet for a couple of years.
Even my bike didn't get ridden for a year.
Now I have more time again and I found these forums.
Old Username Pasho
Part of the problem was my bike wouldn't fire.
And I just let it sit.
I eventually have tracked it down to the fuel pump.
Now I rang Springwood Suzuki, price for an SGP fuel pump.
I was astonished to hear that they wanted.... wait for it....
Aud$727 for one.
No not a misprint.
Seriously where do Suzuki get off with this price? No point in abusing the parts guy, not his fault.
I vaguely recall from the old forums.there was a common car part that fit as a direct replacement.
Or what is a good aftermarket option. happy to spend, but not be robbed.
Can anybody help me out?
Thanks
thanks in advance
Scroll down this thread
http://gsx1400owners.org/forum/index.php?topic=430.msg3688#msg3688
Towards the bottom of the thread you will a heading "a few notes and tips" - bullet 4 lists other pumps that will fit - reads as follows:
"4. One other option to taking the pump apart is to reverse flush the filters with acetone. Whilst the pump is out, reverse the polarity on the pump - often dirty black gunk will come out the other end. Continue doing this until you can easily blow through it again (note this can take a number of flushes to achieve).
Rather than clean the filter â€" or if your pump is cactus, you might want to (or need to) replace it. Sourcing a good (or even any) replacement GSX1400 pump is hard â€" in fact you will probably have difficulty in finding one, and even then, will be charged a small fortune. New they are not cheap either from Suzuki themselves. Others who have been in this position have found that pumps off the GSXR750 K2-K4 are the same (all you have to do is change the base plate to the one you take out of your 14), or one off a GSXR600 K2-K4 (you may have to change the baseplate on that as well)"
Gidday Shane, welcome to the new Org. Here's a link to one I have saved on my ebay,
http://www.ebay.com/itm/FOR-SUZUKI-GSX1400-GSX-1400-EFI-2001-2002-2003-2004-2005-2006-2007-FUEL-PUMP-KIT/161851880715?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649
Says they're out of stock, but it's in pounds so they're in UK somewhere . . .
Welcome Shane.
I needed more powerful pump, so I use Audi A6 1.8T & 2.4 pump. It fits straight, only electrical connektors had to change.
And the price was 86€ ( =126 AUD ).
Just did a google search with the part number for the pump ((15100-42F01) and found this for $69.98 (US, CA): http://www.highflowfuel.com/i-23875600-new-intank-efi-fuel-pump-suzuki-gsx1400-gsx1400z-2002-2007-replaces-suzuki-15100-42f01-15100-42f00.html?ref=brand:1973 (http://www.highflowfuel.com/i-23875600-new-intank-efi-fuel-pump-suzuki-gsx1400-gsx1400z-2002-2007-replaces-suzuki-15100-42f01-15100-42f00.html?ref=brand:1973)
The $727 is for a complete filter & pump. The pump itself is cheap but it's the genuine complete article where they sting you. If it's not pumping then buy the pump but if the filter is blocked then look through the site for external filter info.
fuel pumps are mitsubishi. no real upgrade needed, they all pump lots of fuel and same pressure. just look for best price. ill search for mitsubishi part number, once knew but now forgotten. lancer etc are same or similar. place i worked at once, fuel components retailer, we imported tridon brand from canada, 13 bucks each. re boxed, sold as genuine for many brands. re boxed as high performance nissan skyline pump, retail just under a grand. its all a big rip off, electric fuel pumps work very well, each one could fuel 10 gsx 14. as for which country makes the best, good luck. our tridon were made in china, shipped to canada, then distributed worldwide.
Hi Grog
Yep, in fact, my OEM fuel pump has a Mitsubishi stamp on it.
I just ordered this off eBay for the princely sum of $28 shipped.
Hope it fits OK, it looks very close from what I can see.
That's 50X less than Suzuki genuine part, without the black filter albeit.
Sorry but that price is a F...ing joke as far as I'm concerned.
will let all know how I get on.
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/LIFETIME-Warranty-New-OE-replacement-Fuel-Pump-Install-Kit-04-AD13/272739304838?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&var=571874555144&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649
youll make it fit mate. as Snapey said, do the external filter mod while its out. not at all difficult. so good to know hi pressure filter is clean. mines been done quite a while now, pump is quieter and bike runs beautiful. a lot of posts on this forum about bikes not revving, stuttering. people blame all sorts of things, dirty injectors etc. my opinion is that its that stupid inbuilt hi filter that causes 90% of probs. advice is often to clean tea bag pick up filter, i agree but if tea bag is dirty, so is high pressure filter. one of the best mods to do to a 14.
@Shane Pashen How did the Mitsubishi pump work out?
Quote from: grog on Saturday, 15 July 2017, 06:45 PM
fuel pumps are mitsubishi. no real upgrade needed, they all pump lots of fuel and same pressure...
@grog What are the OEM pump numbers? ~140 LPH @40PCI?
Northern, have looked but dont know. same little pumps work in 5 l. v8 so will be plenty for 14.
Quote from: northern on Friday, 13 July 2018, 08:21 AM
What are the OEM pump numbers? ~140 LPH @40PCI?
By part number it's 100-110 LPH @3bar. The Audi pump (Bosh 0 580 314 068) old one makes 180 LPH @3bar and they are very hard to find, the new one delivers 120 LPH @3bar. Not big of a change, especially for tuning purposes, and the 180 LPH might be a tad small on certain applications.
What comes to the size most of the pumps of that range actually fits there but some of them might be as low as 40-50 LPH @3bar and thats too low so you need to do your homework.
https://www.fugo.bg/uploaded/pdf/89-8.pdf
For performance now you can find Quantum HFP-382SH 255 LPH fuel pump that is a drop in unit. I went the other way and with slight modifications I installed Walbro GSS342 in mine, produces the same 255 LPH. Why - well it was easyer to get in here, and I have never heard of Quantum before...
Quote from: northern on Friday, 13 July 2018, 08:21 AM
What are the OEM pump numbers? ~140 LPH @40PCI?
I find answer to my question in service manual:
Section
4-50 - FUEL DISCHARGE AMOUNT INSPECTIONFuel discharge amount: Approx. 1 200 ml/30 sec, what is equal to
144 LPH (liter per hour).
Searching internet, I find what for
naturally aspirated engines, fuel pump productivity is calculated multiplying planned horsepower by 0.38 to determine liters per hour. It's a bigger formula, but in the end it's simply HP x 0.38 = LPH (for turbo engines, there is another value to multiply)
Let's say, my 14 with yoshi cams and full Akra should reach ~135HP. This mean pump have to be able deliver minimum 51.3 LPH.
Testing my fuel delivery system, I get ~48LPH, what according to this formula is enough ~126HP. And what is interesting - My maximum run on a dyno few week ago was 125HP...
Anyway - according to this formula, all pumps able to deliver more then 60 LPH should be OK for 1402 naturally aspirated engines.
Walbro fuel pump flow charts give 2.64 hp / LPH. That means 290 hp with 110 LPH pump or 475 hp with 180 LPH pump.
How much fuel do you need???
Only reason to use over size pump is correct your too small injectors with too high pressure (like I do, but I still don't need 255 LPH pump)
This is good info.
I have been looking to run a external fuel pump for my 1700cc..( one day.. i promise :whistling:)
- Has anyone experience with the electrical draw from the original suzuki pump on the system?
It looks like a replacement pump like the Walbro GSS242 - 190 lph "standard version" will draw
5.7Amps at 12V: 40psi@40Gallon per hour / 2.7bar@155liter per hour
6.0Amps at 12V: 50psi@36Gallon per hour / 3.4bar@136liter per hour
Seems that Walbro pumps have good efficiency.
I wasn't sure for original pump wires and relays, so I put an extra 40 amp relay for a new VAG pump.
Once it burned its 15A fuse, so I measured it: max 14.2 amps.
I changed to 20A fuse and it has worked now three years..
Quote from: T 24 on Tuesday, 24 July 2018, 07:27 PM
How much fuel do you need???
Who, me?
Well I was about to buy the Bosch but the Walbro was 50€ cheaper, and the sales person was good :D He had his doubts for the Bosch would be "enough" and as I watched the dyno guy last time crank everything up from the PC3, I thought that I cant go wrong with "too big" of a pump. Most probably the old pump was acting up all ready at that time.
The next thing to be too small would be either the ignition side of the valves...
I'm also looking for a new pump. Despite much cleaning thru the current one i'm not getting good pressure at higher revs. There seems to be few options available.
Has anyone used the American High Flow pump from Fuel Performance ?
Thank You
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/New-Intank-EFI-Fuel-Pump-Suzuki-GSX1400-2001-2007/121629207664?epid=19020514906&hash=item1c51aa6c70:g:aicAAOSwQttZxnwE:rk:2:pf:0
Also check eBay here and in Europe for a gsxr600/750/1000 pump as they can also fit the gsx1400 if you swop the mounting plates .
@Blubber uses a gsxr fuel pump on his gsx1400.
:onya:
Thank You
@seth The one I've put the link to is in the uk.
I'm probably going to give it a go
Good luck let us know how you get on with it.
Hopefully all works great.
:cheers:
I will. Thank You
Quote from: Simonic on Wednesday, 21 November 2018, 11:46 PM
I'm also looking for a new pump. Despite much cleaning thru the current one i'm not getting good pressure at higher revs. There seems to be few options available.
Has anyone used the American High Flow pump from Fuel Performance ?
Thank You
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/New-Intank-EFI-Fuel-Pump-Suzuki-GSX1400-2001-2007/121629207664?epid=19020514906&hash=item1c51aa6c70:g:aicAAOSwQttZxnwE:rk:2:pf:0
I'm sure i used one of their fuel pumps for my Buell, had no problems :onya:
Hi Gentlemen.
I've got the bike running again now and can report that the fuel pump i've fitted works good.
Previously the bike had struggled to rev past 5k and when it was on the dyno at John Warringtons he said the bike was literally running out of fuel and rigged up a remote supply to prove the point.
The new pump is a bit noisier but i can live with that.
Straight through can will solve that problem :whistling:
Quote from: mjgt on Sunday, 02 June 2019, 08:31 PM
Straight through can will solve that problem :whistling:
yep.
I've just fitted a black widow 200mm can :cheers:
Quote from: Andre on Wednesday, 09 May 2018, 06:07 PM
@Shane Pashen How did the Mitsubishi pump work out?
Pricks like this Shane Pashen really piss me off. Remember him? Maybe not but he's the one who started this thread with his tirade about the cost of a fuel pump and asking for advice. That was on the 16th July '17. Advice given, so the next day he informs us that he'd bought a $28 pump.
Ten months later Andre asks the above question. He's had another 13 months to answer. Even a simple yes or no would have done and is a thank you too much to ask?
Am I too old school to expect some common courtesy? Probably. Did Shane Pashen get his bike going? Shit I hope not.
This is what happens when people use the org thinking it's Facebook.
:evil: :furious: :frustrated:
I doubt he will answer Snapey. He only made 2 posts and went off into oblivion. :whatever:
Common courtesy is becoming less common. At least that's my impression. :sad:
I rather focus on Simonic who made good on his word and reported back. :onya:
Dont get too upset Snapey. Lots of pricks like that have visited. Annoys me also. The old story, ask for advice then tell you the answer. I try to help, i often have wrong answers but being told the correct is part of this place.
Quote from: Andre on Tuesday, 11 June 2019, 06:57 AM
I doubt he will answer Snapey. He only made 2 posts and went off into oblivion. :whatever:
Common courtesy is becoming less common. At least that's my impression. :sad:
I rather focus on Simonic who made good on his word and reported back. :onya:
Thank You Sir
Simonic Off topic I know... :embarassed: Nice to meet you at Seaways the other day... :hat:
Quote from: Basil Brush on Tuesday, 02 July 2019, 10:21 PM
Simonic Off topic I know... :embarassed: Nice to meet you at Seaways the other day... :hat:
Indeed.... I hope to meet you again at some point :)
I need a picture of the inside of the area of the armature where the brush contacts it. If anyone who has replaced their pump could take it apart and post a pic here, I would appreciate it :)
Quote from: Simonic on Wednesday, 21 November 2018, 11:46 PM
I'm also looking for a new pump. Despite much cleaning thru the current one i'm not getting good pressure at higher revs. There seems to be few options available.
Has anyone used the American High Flow pump from Fuel Performance ?
Thank You
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/New-Intank-EFI-Fuel-Pump-Suzuki-GSX1400-2001-2007/121629207664?epid=19020514906&hash=item1c51aa6c70:g:aicAAOSwQttZxnwE:rk:2:pf:0
I installed a HFP-382SH-02. Don't know yet if that was good or bad. Bike certainly runs well. Afterward I looked at www.highflowfuel.com and discovered that they have 2 models: HFP-384-U and HFP-382SH-U. The HFP-382S seems to have been superceded by the HFP-384-U.
The HFP-382SH-U has the following NOTE: This is a performance 255LPH fuel pump and not a stock replacement. Although it is the same size and dimensions as the stock pump, a 15 amp fuse is required. If you need the stock replacement, please search for HFP-382S.
Let's take a look at what my OEM pump performed after 60700 km.
A while back flow was 950 ml/30 seconds. After cleaning the HP-filter it was 1050 ml/30 sec. Fuel pressure was 41 psi at the most. I had made a mistake and not taken out the valve from one of the measuring hoses. So could not see if pressure was maintained at higher load.
I hooked up a current clamp and connected to an oscilloscope.
4687 RPM and 3.2 Ampere on Average. Expected was 5 Amps on average. The waveform looks crap.
(https://gsx1400owners.org/forum/gallery/0/736-011019073721.png)
The new HFP-382SH-02 has of 1800 ml/
20 seconds. In 30 seconds it would have overfilled the measuring cup. Fuel pressure is 48 PSI at idle and is steady under load. Average current draw is 9.74 Amps and RPM is 7938.
The waveform is good. It is upside down because I forgot to check the direction of the clamp.
(https://gsx1400owners.org/forum/gallery/0/736-011019080132.png)
It is a beefy pump. Sure have to take a look at the fuse and wiring as max current is 12.3 Amp. Also a heavy load on the charging system. Probably look for an S or U model.
Andre, your thoughts on German MTM fuel pumps. Get good reviews for quality. Very good price.
I don't have a clue Grog.
I am satisfied with the Quantum HFP-384-U from www-highflowfuel.com. Electrical Connections on pump are like OEM. Flow 1450 ml/30 Sec., pressure 45 PSI, RPM 6330. Amp average were it should be (4.6).
This is all great info here and I have also been through other threads RE external fuel filters as well.
Understand there are some nice replacement fuel pumps and good experience with HFP-384-xyz. However, these setups all require the original fuel pressure regulator and filter to be in place, right?
Now, below some pictures of my inherited fuel pump assembly (after one can of carb cleaner used) and not too keen trying to further cleaning or refurbishing it. Would still require a new pump, drill a filter bypass - and who knows what else.
So other options are to put in a new pump (like the HFP above) and some generic fuel pressure regulator with ext filter or maybe consider something like this: https://www.amazon.com.au/Fuel-Pump-15100-42F01-15100-35F20-15100-33E60/dp/B082DRVZCH
(Yes, I could also go OEM, found some in stock for $750 USD or back order for about $750-800 AUD)
Anyone tried this set or has any other suggestions?
Cheers and see images below :whistling:
Yep, that looks fucked (technical term).
@mgjt I concur wholeheartedly :stir: :stir: :stir:
" Flow Rate: 90LPH" doesn't cut it! Minimum needed is 1200 ml/30 sec. Comes to 144 LPH.
This is the one I put in: https://www.amazon.com.au/HFP-384-U-Motorcycle-Installation-Replacement-1996-2009/dp/B07VLVTJKX/ref=sr_1_10?keywords=HFP-384-U&qid=1590055682&sr=8-10 (https://www.amazon.com.au/HFP-384-U-Motorcycle-Installation-Replacement-1996-2009/dp/B07VLVTJKX/ref=sr_1_10?keywords=HFP-384-U&qid=1590055682&sr=8-10)
98 AU$
Thanks Andre - that would still require the pressure regulator, right? And, yes - I saw some of the calculations RE FPH so I would double check the numbers before buying. Too much information to soak up and I forgot taking notes while browsing :confused1: Will do the math before buying, now that you reminded me.
Also, love the humour here...
Took the tank to the shop today and got a stern look "is this yours or did you inherit this?" :happy1:
Seriously considering an option like this - https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/QUANTUM-Fuel-Pump-Reg-Tank-Seal-for-SUZUKI-99-07-Hayabusa-GSX1400-15100-24FB0/380407876613?hash=item5892138c05:g:0dYAAOSwwjVewwwJ
Will double check the specs etc and think through how the setup works and let you know. Of course, until I have pressed the "Buy now" button I will look at / listen to other options.
@Andre you are a font of information :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy:
Quote from: DZ on Thursday, 21 May 2020, 07:48 PM
This is all great info here and I have also been through other threads RE external fuel filters as well.
Understand there are some nice replacement fuel pumps and good experience with HFP-384-xyz. However, these setups all require the original fuel pressure regulator and filter to be in place, right?
Now, below some pictures of my inherited fuel pump assembly (after one can of carb cleaner used) and not too keen trying to further cleaning or refurbishing it. Would still require a new pump, drill a filter bypass - and who knows what else.
So other options are to put in a new pump (like the HFP above) and some generic fuel pressure regulator with ext filter or maybe consider something like this: https://www.amazon.com.au/Fuel-Pump-15100-42F01-15100-35F20-15100-33E60/dp/B082DRVZCH
(Yes, I could also go OEM, found some in stock for $750 USD or back order for about $750-800 AUD)
Anyone tried this set or has any other suggestions?
Cheers and see images below :whistling:
thats pretty shagged, after how many kms? I pulled my HFP out after 42000km and looked like new, teabag cleaned up nice and reverse flushing the hpfp did not reveal much muck either
Quote from: DZ on Thursday, 21 May 2020, 08:24 PM
Thanks Andre - that would still require the pressure regulator, right? And, yes - I saw some of the calculations RE FPH so I would double check the numbers before buying. Too much information to soak up and I forgot taking notes while browsing :confused1: Will do the math before buying, now that you reminded me.
Also, love the humour here...
Took the tank to the shop today and got a stern look "is this yours or did you inherit this?" :happy1:
Seriously considering an option like this - https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/QUANTUM-Fuel-Pump-Reg-Tank-Seal-for-SUZUKI-99-07-Hayabusa-GSX1400-15100-24FB0/380407876613?hash=item5892138c05:g:0dYAAOSwwjVewwwJ
Will double check the specs etc and think through how the setup works and let you know. Of course, until I have pressed the "Buy now" button I will look at / listen to other options.
Yep, that regulator of yours looks like it needs a replacement. A quick glance at the link looks like a good deal with the regulator, its o-ring, and the tank/pump seal. Also you likely need o-ring part#15113-35F00 #7 in the pic (think it is identical in size with the o-ring on the regulator).
The metal the pump sits on/in and the filter housing hopefully clean up to at least make external highpressure filter mod.
Quote from: GSXKING on Thursday, 21 May 2020, 09:29 PM
@Andre you are a font of information :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy:
Thanks :grin: Just shows that I don't have much of a life besides the 14 :coffeescreen:
Quote from: Andre on Friday, 22 May 2020, 12:10 AM
Quote from: DZ on Thursday, 21 May 2020, 08:24 PM
Thanks Andre - that would still require the pressure regulator, right? And, yes - I saw some of the calculations RE FPH so I would double check the numbers before buying. Too much information to soak up and I forgot taking notes while browsing :confused1: Will do the math before buying, now that you reminded me.
Also, love the humour here...
Took the tank to the shop today and got a stern look "is this yours or did you inherit this?" :happy1:
Seriously considering an option like this - https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/QUANTUM-Fuel-Pump-Reg-Tank-Seal-for-SUZUKI-99-07-Hayabusa-GSX1400-15100-24FB0/380407876613?hash=item5892138c05:g:0dYAAOSwwjVewwwJ
Will double check the specs etc and think through how the setup works and let you know. Of course, until I have pressed the "Buy now" button I will look at / listen to other options.
Yep, that regulator of yours looks like it needs a replacement. A quick glance at the link looks like a good deal with the regulator, its o-ring, and the tank/pump seal. Also you likely need o-ring part#15113-35F00 #7 in the pic (think it is identical in size with the o-ring on the regulator).
The metal the pump sits on/in and the filter housing hopefully clean up to at least make external highpressure filter mod.
Thanks - with the contaminated fuel system I decided replacing pump, pressure regulator, filter and hosing. Will be doing the external filter mod as well. Only recycling the base. Will get the Quantum fuel pump and post what other parts were missing once done.
Quote from: Eric GSX1400K3 on Thursday, 21 May 2020, 11:45 PM
thats pretty shagged, after how many kms? I pulled my HFP out after 42000km and looked like new, teabag cleaned up nice and reverse flushing the hpfp did not reveal much muck either
Approx 3-4,000km... Inherited her, she was garaged for 6-7 years and the fuel went off. Full of rust and gunk. Tank is in the shops now for a professional clean and fix, and I appreciate the wealth of knowledge here - really helps rebuilding without relying on just ordering $3k worth of original parts... (just for the fuel intake part that would be)
Quote from: DZ on Friday, 22 May 2020, 07:51 AM
Quote from: Eric GSX1400K3 on Thursday, 21 May 2020, 11:45 PM
thats pretty shagged, after how many kms? I pulled my HFP out after 42000km and looked like new, teabag cleaned up nice and reverse flushing the hpfp did not reveal much muck either
Approx 3-4,000km... Inherited her, she was garaged for 6-7 years and the fuel went off. Full of rust and gunk. Tank is in the shops now for a professional clean and fix, and I appreciate the wealth of knowledge here - really helps rebuilding without relying on just ordering $3k worth of original parts... (just for the fuel intake part that would be)
Thanks DZ, apologies for the brain fart, I didn't cotton on that this was part of your "1402 back from the dead" thread. All good.
Hi gang,
Rebuilt my HP FP on Saturday with this kit from quantum ; https://www.highflowfuel.com/i-35468028-quantum-255lph-performance-fuel-pump-w-regulator-for-suzuki-gsx-1400-2001-2008-replaces-15100-42f01.html
Thanks to André for the link. Easy replacement, bike fired up first go and ran like a dream. The kit has all the things you need, replacement seals, o rings and regulator, plus a selection of teabags.
Big thumbs up from me.
Hello!
My first post here. Just adding a little something.
My pump started acting the other day, turned ignition on, pump wanted to start priming but after a few miliseconds it stopped, having the FI coming on.
Had to turn the ignition on and off a few times till it managed to prime in order to fire up the bike.
Disassembled the fuel pump today 2002 model, following code on the inside of the pump (mitsubishi) UC-T30. Bolt like terminals, positive on the left, negative on the right, a small hole between them and a bit lower while also a bigger hole at the top center.
Codes on the outside were 15100-42F01 (not sure about the number 1 at the end, a bit scratched) and below that, UC-T30SU5.
Called a friend, found the exact same pump that is used by Suzuki Vitara car.
Hope this might somehow help someone someday :smile2:
Nice find Mitch.
Quote from: Mitch411 on Thursday, 17 June 2021, 11:48 PM
Called a friend, found the exact same pump that is used by Suzuki Vitara car.
Is that the complete pump and filters or just a pump? Good find if complete but if it's only the pump then Ebay have them at give away prices.
Quote from: Snapey on Friday, 18 June 2021, 07:03 PM
Quote from: Mitch411 on Thursday, 17 June 2021, 11:48 PM
Called a friend, found the exact same pump that is used by Suzuki Vitara car.
Is that the complete pump and filters or just a pump? Good find if complete but if it's only the pump then Ebay have them at give away prices.
Not the whole assy, just the pump.
Friend works at parts so it was a price at cost. Still though, prefer to buy as much as I can from inside the country to help a couple businesses.