GIpro ATRE G2

[Gegs]

Hey all,

I know there are a couple of posts out there re GIpro ATRE G2 and they have some seemingly good advise about balancing carbs etc but does anyone have any experience of using it on an FI model? All I really wanted was a gear selector indicator but if this offers other advantages too then it would be worth considering. Any thoughts appreciated.

[gsxbarmy]

I had the G1 on my 14 - the G2 from what I have read offers the same benefits but is a little more user friendly and has a few more options (and its slightly smaller).

So apart from the gear display - which in itself is a big benefit, it's smaller (so easier to find somewhere to fit). That aside, the aTRE will advance your ignition 4 degrees same as the earlier version in gears 1-4. Whilst this won't give you any performance gains, it will taughten acceleration, making it a bit more precise, which is a nice feature ( so basically works the same as an ignition advancer, except that the ignition advance works across all 6 gears (no noticeable difference). If you do choose to fit an ignition advancer at a later date, you can always turn the aTRE off and run the unit just as a gear indicator.

Biggest problem with the GiPro's - finding somewhere to mount the display. Many mount on either the top of the clutch master cylinder, or on the top yoke.

I'd say it's a worthwhile update personally.

[grog]

Gegs, had my Heal Tech for over 5 yrs. Gear indicator is a must for me, no more looking for 7th gear. Shouldve been fitted standard, my 1974 gt 750 had one. ATRE also smoothed out first 4 gears, much better idea than filing out backing plate which gives extra advance in 5&6, not needed in my opinion. Fits easily, indicator also easy on top yoke. just my opinion.

[Gegs]

Awesome guys, thanks. I'll stick it on my Christmas list 

[ndp_2010]

Without starting a new topic I wondering if anyone had any practical experience fitting one of these? Torque improved in lower revs? Looking at possibly installing one to improve responsiveness at low revs 

[Tony Nitrous]

Without starting a new topic I wondering if anyone had any practical experience fitting one of these? Torque improved in lower revs? Looking at possibly installing one to improve responsiveness at low revs 

Neither TRE's or ignition advancers are ideal.

One (TRE) sets every ignition signal the same, sometimes even neutral / starting map when in reality them all being the same isn't ideal.

The other (ignition advancer) moves ever gears timing, including neutral / starting forward, if each gear benefits from it or not.

The 14 is a pretty dated design. You will find fans and haters of both, on anything modern the smart money is flashing ECU's, changing mapping and timing and removing restrictive retarding etc for each gear.  Sadly the 14 is lacking in the tech and R&D.

If you do decide to go TRE be aware that a basic one has about 10p / 20c worth of bits in it and you only need a simple resister to fool the ECU.  I still have one in a Busa to remove the top speed limiter.

If the gear indicator is of value to you and you don't like the neater clock conversion then it may justify the cost.

[grog]

Put it on your list mate. Can of worms but i like my Healtech.

[ndp_2010]

Without starting a new topic I wondering if anyone had any practical experience fitting one of these? Torque improved in lower revs? Looking at possibly installing one to improve responsiveness at low revs 

Neither TRE's or ignition advancers are ideal.

One (TRE) sets every ignition signal the same, sometimes even neutral / starting map when in reality them all being the same isn't ideal.

The other (ignition advancer) moves ever gears timing, including neutral / starting forward, if each gear benefits from it or not.

The 14 is a pretty dated design. You will find fans and haters of both, on anything modern the smart money is flashing ECU's, changing mapping and timing and removing restrictive retarding etc for each gear.  Sadly the 14 is lacking in the tech and R&D.

If you do decide to go TRE be aware that a basic one has about 10p / 20c worth of bits in it and you only need a simple resister to fool the ECU.  I still have one in a Busa to remove the top speed limiter.

If the gear indicator is of value to you and you don't like the neater clock conversion then it may justify the cost.

Cheers will keep that in mind!

[ndp_2010]

Put it on your list mate. Can of worms but i like my Healtech.

Can you describe the different with the tre active? I feel like for the price it may be a reasonably cheap way to improve the low rpm.

[Andre]

I made my own implementation of a TRE by modifying the Gear Position Sensor. I notice a marked difference when riding hairpins uphill. Otherwise the difference is subtle.

[grog]

Ndp, hard to remember, been a while. Certainly smoother down low but gear indicator was my main reason for fitting.

[gsxbarmy]

Put it on your list mate. Can of worms but i like my Healtech.

Can you describe the different with the tre active? I feel like for the price it may be a reasonably cheap way to improve the low rpm.

Bike feels taughter at lower revs and more precise.

Easiest way to try this out at no cost is to mod your backplate, as if you don't like it you can put it back to standard.

Instructions how to do this here http://gsx1400owners.org/forum_test/index.php?topic=144.0

[ndp_2010]

Put it on your list mate. Can of worms but i like my Healtech.

Can you describe the different with the tre active? I feel like for the price it may be a reasonably cheap way to improve the low rpm.

Bike feels taughter at lower revs and more precise.

Easiest way to try this out at no cost is to mod your backplate, as if you don't like it you can put it back to standard.

Instructions how to do this here http://gsx1400owners.org/forum_test/index.php?topic=144.0

that sounds exactly what I was after. From what I gather the TRE would not impact on the higher gears (since the timing isnt retarded there), however advancing timing would affect all gears? (is there potential to damage the engine doing the modification to advance timing? assuming you stay less than e.e 4 degrees?)

[grog]

Ndp, correct. Healtech just advances 1-4 gears. Top pair, neutral map all remain same. Could turn mine off if you really want, check difference. Pretty much Barmys perfect description, can remember being a bit smoother, not that 14 arent smooth anyway. One of the best once all set right.

[gsxbarmy]

Advancing timing (no more than) 4 degrees by the backplate would not cause any damage and would be effective in all gears - basically the backplate mod is exactly the same as fitting a 4 degree ignition advancer (available off eBay in U.K. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Suzuki-GSX1400-SPS-Ignition-Advancer-4-degree-Bolt-on-Horsepower/362100593355?epid=646446472&hash=item544ee092cb:g:75QAAOSwDD9Zyjcc )

The aTRE A's comes with the Healtech is only effective in gears 1-4 as grog says