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Title: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: Tony Nitrous on Sunday, 22 October 2017, 07:46 am
Looking at a new bike for next year.
Several new bikes mentioned in other threads,
GSX-S, Z900 etc but none really excite me.

Maybe its just me but I can't find anything that ticks all (or even most)
of the box's that I either want, like or need.

As a bit of background, the bikes I normally take an interest in are...
GSX1100ET/EX/EZ/ESD
GSX1000/1100 Katana
GSX1135E
GSXR1100 Slabsider / Slingshot
GSF1200 Bandit
GS1200SS
Inazuma 1200
GSX1400
GSX1300 B-King
Gen-1 / Gen-2 1300 Hayabusa.

..... but what's in a showroom now?

Busa is OK, but I prefer naked and the Gen-2 is well overdue to be updated.
Not a fan of the 1250 Blandit.
I don't mind the alternative Busa, the ZX14R though.


I'd like a big bore, naked bike, not restricted or detuned,
Sportsbike spec running gear, USD front, radial brakes, 17"x6" rear, monoshock etc, and a comfy seat and a 21+ltr tank range.
That sounds like a winning combination, yet no one seems to make one.

Not interested in Euro bikes or cruisers, shaft drive or odd size wheels.
Just want a modern, useable, big bore Jap naked bike.
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: Tony Nitrous on Sunday, 22 October 2017, 07:51 am
Options at the moment seem to be.....

# Buy a Gen-2 Busa, have a fairing and raise the bars.

# Buy a ZX14R and go away from naked Suzuki's.

# Hope there's a Gen-3 Hayabusa.

# Buy the cleanest GSX14 I can find and do the full system / PC111,
Jack up kit, PAIR's, radial USD front end mod's (but I don't want another project)

Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: VladTepes on Sunday, 22 October 2017, 02:58 pm
There will be a Gen3 busa in the next year or so BUT it will be interesting to see whether mortals can afford it....


Totally agree that a naked Gen-3 Busa with a good riding position (more b-King than Busa like), decent size tank, comfotable seat for TWO.
Well that would be a winner for sure.


s  there a particular reason for wanting a new bike now ?! rather than in a year or so?



You would be able to pick up a GSX1400 with most of that work already done, I would imagine, with only the hard part (front end) needing to be done...

Then when you eventually get a Gen3 'busa you can sell the flashed up 1400 to me...    :laugh:
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: Tony Nitrous on Sunday, 22 October 2017, 03:48 pm
I have a little money coming Dec 15th next year.
Some of it will pay for a new bike.

My newest bikes are both 2007 / 2008.
B-King and GSX1400.

I'd like something new and less abused and unmolested again !

Just looking around now, if I find something ideal I might buy sooner.

Suzuki are overdue a Gen-3 Busa.
I wouldn't expect it to be silly money.
They have always shifted huge numbers in the US and around the world because its never been a H2/H2R unaffordable novelty item.

If a Gen-3 was anything like a Gen-1 or 2 then changing bars, seats and footpegs will be common, affordable and popular mods.
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: Ross on Sunday, 22 October 2017, 06:20 pm
https://www.motorcycle-magazine.com/new-hayabusa-update-not-2019-earliest/

I struggle to find something that ticks all the boxes too Tony.
I was keen on the MT10 until I spoke to a few owners who reckon the range is only 160-180Ks.
I agree with you that the Jap bikes are a big preference but I will look at the KTM1290GT as time goes by to see if they prove more reliable than anything to date. The local KTM dealer posted on Facebook that a client just had a 150k service done on a 1290 Super Adv that has had no issues and still going strong. We'll see.
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: grog on Sunday, 22 October 2017, 06:41 pm
same boat, nothing i really like. i like the new bonnies with 1200 motor but again tiny fuel tanks. gen 3 busa out soon. doesnt the big bike release show happen this week, not sure.
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: Kiwifruit on Sunday, 22 October 2017, 06:49 pm
Just shows that what we have is hard to replace with whats on offer in the new bike showroom.
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: grog on Sunday, 22 October 2017, 07:44 pm
two yrs ago i did the test ride thing. aprillia, guzzi, bmw, mv. none of them for me. mt07 and 09, not for me. never tried a kawa or honda. gsx1000 i had an hour on. out of all of them i liked xjr1300 yam the best. nice bike, superb brakes. compared to 14 rather well. no storage, no 6th gear. no looks, no buy. couldnt see any advantage except it was new. id like its front brakes on mine.
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: Tony Nitrous on Wednesday, 25 October 2017, 07:25 pm
I'd still like to see the specs, horsepower / torque / tank size etc,
but I'm pretty sure this is going to be a "no" for me...


Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: Tony Nitrous on Wednesday, 25 October 2017, 07:40 pm
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=share&v=uABL88z4JMA
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: Irish in Oz on Wednesday, 25 October 2017, 08:10 pm
What does it matter what you think, some will like it, and it may be cheaper than what some think their old one's are worth.
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: Andre on Thursday, 26 October 2017, 06:05 am
82,0 kW (111 PS) bei 8.500 U/min
98,5 Nm (10,0 mkp) bei 6.500 U/min
6 gears
Tank 17 liters
Weight (filled up) 215 kg
Fork fully adjustable
Rear shock preload and rebound adjustable
Front tire 120/70ZR17 M/C (58W)
Rear tire 180/55ZR17 M/C (73W)
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: Irish in Oz on Thursday, 26 October 2017, 04:31 pm
I get pissed off on fuel stops and Snapey will confirm this, so what is the problem with small tanks, I ride with new bikes and they use less fuel than the 14, most towns in Oz are only 150 k's a part. Servo's everywhere. 14 can pull 400 riding easy, but we usually refuel max 300.
All the other figures look good for a 900, main difference from a Zepyher is the tyre size.
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: Tony Nitrous on Thursday, 26 October 2017, 04:35 pm
17ltr tank, and compared to the model its based on it is longer, heavier and less powerful. So its just a soft version of a current model.

That plastic tail and coat of paint are certainly getting folk excited....  :happy1:
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: grog on Thursday, 26 October 2017, 07:04 pm
looks great,will sell lots.
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: Irish in Oz on Thursday, 26 October 2017, 07:54 pm
17ltr tank, and compared to the model its based on it is longer, heavier and less powerful. So its just a soft version of a current model.

That plastic tail and coat of paint are certainly getting folk excited....  :happy1:
If you are not interested in one why bring it up, you decided that before you seen the specs.
What would be prefect for you!
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: Tony Nitrous on Thursday, 26 October 2017, 08:47 pm
I bought it up because its a new large"ish" by today's standards naked bike that others on here have mentioned.

Folk on here like retro nakeds and I'm happy to hear their opinions.

My comments were why I don't find it suitable and a downsides to current models and that folk were getting excited about a bike that's worse in many ways than the one (2017 Z900) its been based around.

I didn't realise that discussing or having an opinion on a new naked bike was a taboo subject.



Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: grog on Thursday, 26 October 2017, 09:31 pm
I like new zed looks but thats all my interest over. I waited for months for new speedmaster trump. Was so interested, 14 litre tank i think. Just no good for me. Triumph have been best at retro re mastering with bonnie, nothing else has come close. Just my opinion
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: Andre on Thursday, 26 October 2017, 09:33 pm
I like the retro trend. The 900 looks good. She would look better with a 4-2-4 and stereo shocks.  :whistling: She has plenty of power. The small tank may or may not be a problem depending on it's mpg and the rider's trip profile. I doubt that she will use significant less petrol than the 14.
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: mjgt on Thursday, 26 October 2017, 11:09 pm
There's not many biks out there with a decent size fuel tank, but my BMW R1200r gets 65 mpg, so at 18 Ltrs I can still get further up the road than on my 14.  Not all the euro 4 crap is bad  :whistling:
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: seth on Thursday, 26 October 2017, 11:22 pm
i like the new Z900 if it had twin shocks it would be spot on.
the small tank would be a problem if it couldn't do 150 miles but if it can then happy days .
I've never sat on my 14 for all of its 225 mile tank range as we tend to start looking for a stoo and fuel after 120 miles or so but i hate having to stop  because of low fuel i like to pick where I'll stop if that makes sense  :cheers:
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: Irish in Oz on Friday, 27 October 2017, 12:10 pm
15 litres at say 18 kilometres per litre equals 270 k's or 168.75 miles range. Probably 3 hours riding.
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: Tony Nitrous on Friday, 27 October 2017, 02:31 pm
15 litres at say 18 kilometres per litre equals 270 k's or 168.75 miles range. Probably 3 hours riding.

B-King has a 16.5 ltr tank.
You don't get close to those numbers if your having fun or on a "spirited" ride and you can't do the tank neck mod on a King.
A boring cruise maybe see those numbers.

Busa and GSX tank sizes suit me better.
What numbers others get or are happy with doesn't have to suit me.
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: Irish in Oz on Friday, 27 October 2017, 02:47 pm
I can get 250 k out of a 14 tank as well, and that's not due to my big gut lol.
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: T 24 on Friday, 27 October 2017, 03:52 pm
I can easily run 330-350 km with my 14 (when I´m riding with my wife), but if it is possible I fill the tank after 250 to 280 km to protect the fuel pump.
On the other hand, it is no problem to spend almost all the fuel during 220 km (when I´m riding alone).
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: KiwiCol on Friday, 27 October 2017, 05:21 pm
Hmmm, so this handbrake theory actually does seem to have some substance then.  My riding style would appear to mimic yours' T24.
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: grog on Friday, 27 October 2017, 07:05 pm
i always expect/get 300 minimum. fast , slow , wife or solo. maybe im just a slow old fart, quite possible.  :smile2:
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: T 24 on Friday, 27 October 2017, 09:36 pm
My riding is always solo.  That "handbrake" comes with her own XJR 1300...
And by the way, when we ride together, the XJR uses more fuel than my 14.
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: Tony Nitrous on Wednesday, 08 November 2017, 04:15 am
Maybe not for me, but interesting .......

https://www.asphaltandrubber.com/bikes/2018-kawasaki-ninja-h2-sx-se/
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: Tony Nitrous on Wednesday, 08 November 2017, 04:19 am
The old CB1000R always was a bit tame and now gets a little more serious...

http://www.mcnews.com.au/2018-honda-cb1000r-power-metal/

Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: Rynglieder on Wednesday, 08 November 2017, 05:21 am
Maybe not for me, but interesting .......

https://www.asphaltandrubber.com/bikes/2018-kawasaki-ninja-h2-sx-se/

By coincidence I have just been looking at a discussion on this on the GTR forum.

I begged the question that this surely devalues the H2 brand that that Kawasaki were attaching to a hyper-bike.

Nevertheless, a 200mph bike with panniers opens up the possibility of a night out in Rome after you have finished work at 17:00 in the UK (assuming nothing gets in your way). An interesting thought......
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: Justforkiks on Wednesday, 08 November 2017, 11:42 am
Great topic. Right up my ally.

After 5 years of owners ship I am thinking about a new/other bike. Had a ZZR 1400 for a year and a half together with a GSX but cramped legs and sore knees decided that it had to go. Still miss that engine tough :frustrated:
Big SUV/ Enduro type bikes are not my type. I was eyeing a GTR but it got plugged for 2018. Had high hopes for a supercharged ''sport-tourer'' but that is just a H2 with a remapped engine and higher bars. A shame really. GTR would be so sweet with that supercharger. :smitten:

Gen 3 Busa maybe :whatever:. Rumour has it will be turbocharged :whistling:
FJr cant't get past the looks.
BMW errr maybe but all I read is recall, recall, recall.. :facepalm:

 :whatever:
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: Irish in Oz on Wednesday, 08 November 2017, 04:24 pm
Concept
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: Tony Nitrous on Wednesday, 08 November 2017, 05:24 pm
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: Irish in Oz on Wednesday, 08 November 2017, 06:01 pm
Hope your handbrake is like that one.
Professional riders under controlled conditions.
Where do you use it !
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: KiwiCol on Thursday, 09 November 2017, 01:45 am
Won't be Norway that's for sure!   
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: Speedy1959 on Saturday, 11 November 2017, 03:57 pm
Won't be Norway that's for sure!

Germany / Bavaria..
Apparently Garmisch is a Bavarian Ski resort..
The signs that flash up briefly show Garmisch 95k
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: Irish in Oz on Saturday, 18 November 2017, 03:44 pm
https://kawasaki.com.au/promotions/2018-z900rs/

Australia of coarse.
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: Tony Nitrous on Saturday, 18 November 2017, 07:35 pm
A naked H2 / or H2 engined Z900RS ......

(http://i68.tinypic.com/2e0r7nq.jpg)
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Post by: mjgt on Saturday, 18 November 2017, 07:40 pm
Not usually a fan of Kawasaki, but that is nice  :onya:
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: Tony Nitrous on Saturday, 18 November 2017, 09:16 pm
The GSX-S1000FZ in "Phntom Black"

(http://i66.tinypic.com/1118rh4.jpg)
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: ARH on Sunday, 19 November 2017, 12:19 am
Mmmmm that does look nice... back end looks ‘empty’ tho??
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: VladTepes on Monday, 18 December 2017, 02:36 pm

I just saw the above video - at the end it says, along with other things, "Never attempt any action which is potentially dangerous."


Cotton wool time I guess...
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: Tony Nitrous on Thursday, 31 May 2018, 03:42 pm
I'm still looking at bikes but not desperate.
I've been piling on the overtime and saving a bit away so if I part-ex or sold a bike or 2 most new stuff is within reach. Not really keen to part with anything so unless I see the right bike I'll keep saving.

Current list of possible suspects are.....

# Gen-2 Busa (see if there are run-outs when the new model arrives.
# Gen-3 Busa depending on specs and price.
# H2 Kwak.
# H2-SX Kwak.
# ZX14R

I did play with the idea of an odd-ball big bike like the Rocket-111, naked 1800 Goldwing or V-Max but I'm not sure they are for me and can see myself regretting it soon into ownership.

Idea number 427b was to buy something a bit older / cheaper like another late 1400 or a Bland-it 1250 to leave stock and spend any extra on a cheap used Gen-2 Busa or my current B-King to have unregistered and use as a more serious drag bike, something I've fancied or a while.

Current bikes are OK for now so I may keep saving and see what turns up.

I haven't had a new toy in a while, but as mentioned before, the "choices and prices" don't excite me like in the days of Bandit 12's and GSX14's.



Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: VladTepes on Friday, 01 June 2018, 09:37 am
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# Gen-3 Busa depending on specs and price.

Yes it will be interesting to see that!  I won't be able to afford one, but hopefully THIS happens:

Quote
# Gen-2 Busa (see if there are run-outs when the new model arrives.

Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: Tony Nitrous on Sunday, 07 October 2018, 04:25 pm
Still looking.

A few new models out but still no Jap, in-line 4 big bore brutes.

Big powerful and stupid ticks the box’s, a bit of handling would be nice.
Needs to be a Jap. No Euro or Yank bikes.
(Although I briefly thought about a Rocket 111)

I even thought about a V-Max but it looks like they have been dropped too.

Not sure about Africa Twins. Not really my thing.

H2, H2-SX still look appealing.

The huge barge of the 1800 F6B still looks stupidly amusing but not sure I’d take long to get bored.


Sadly the days of GSX1400’s, B-Kings, V-Max upright naked thug bikes seems to be over.
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: grog on Sunday, 07 October 2018, 06:43 pm
Think youre right Tony. nothing in jap stable to choose. as im getting older/weaker my next will be smaller/lighter. not for a while yet. when i turn 70 will buy a 1200 bonneville to see me out.
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: Tony Nitrous on Sunday, 07 October 2018, 06:49 pm
I could be bike hunting in 10 weeks time but there’s nothing really that I’d be happy to put my money down on. Most of the bikes I like are 10 years old or older.

Funny, ever since I was a kid there’s been something in the showroom to drool over, but not much since 2008.
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: Tony Nitrous on Sunday, 07 October 2018, 07:28 pm
A local guy I know just posted up a pic of his ride out today....

(http://i64.tinypic.com/15wxdax.jpg)
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Post by: GSXKING on Sunday, 07 October 2018, 08:26 pm
Now that's a sports tourer with way way too much horsepower  :boogie: :boogie:
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: Tony Nitrous on Sunday, 07 October 2018, 08:37 pm
Now that's a sports tourer with way way too much horsepower  :boogie: :boogie:

I’ve just been offered a go on one of those in the pic.
It’s be remapped / deresricted / modded, and the owner is VERY impressed.
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: Tony Nitrous on Saturday, 13 October 2018, 11:07 am
Aparently, the ECU and air filters are the biggest restrictions.
Fixing both of these is said to make a huge difference.

One local bike was dyno’d at 234hp still with the OEM pipe.

(http://i66.tinypic.com/qpi72w.jpg)

I’d love to buy another Suzuki but they aren’t in the same league at the moment.
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: BJ on Saturday, 13 October 2018, 05:25 pm
It is euro but have you tried the BMW R1200GS Adventure (My warm weather bike)
I have a 2008 (+ a 2012 R1200RT - my cool weather ride)
The Good
- 33L tank gets about 5.?L per 100 kms.
- Range of approx 600+ kms.
- Great brakes, shaft drive, sit on it all day.
- Have put 91,000 kms on it and I have several rides.
- Can carry a shit load of stuff in the 3 panniers.
- Ride to the shop or the other side of the country.
The Not so Good
- Not what you’d call high performance.
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: Tony Nitrous on Saturday, 13 October 2018, 06:31 pm
It is euro but have you tried the BMW R1200GS Adventure (My warm weather bike)
I have a 2008 (+ a 2012 R1200RT - my cool weather ride)
The Good
- 33L tank gets about 5.?L per 100 kms.
- Range of approx 600+ kms.
- Great brakes, shaft drive, sit on it all day.
- Have put 91,000 kms on it and I have several rides.
- Can carry a shit load of stuff in the 3 panniers.
- Ride to the shop or the other side of the country.
The Not so Good
- Not what you’d call high performance.

I have a few mates who love their BM’s, but not really my thing.

Not an in-line 4 / not chain drive / lacks horsepower and top end.

As a more dedicated tourer maybe, not not for the drags and chasing mates on a Sunday as well as touring.


Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: grog on Saturday, 13 October 2018, 06:45 pm
Thats a great looking bike Tony. Looks so practical, centrestand , panniers, Superb colour. Jap 4 cyl reliability. Exocet missile power.Top of the tree brakes etc. A bike for every occasion. Ticks my imagination on a new bike. I really didnt need new ideas in my head but, never too old. A brilliant choice.
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: Tony Nitrous on Saturday, 13 October 2018, 07:01 pm
Thats a great looking bike Tony. Looks so practical, centrestand , panniers, Superb colour. Jap 4 cyl reliability. Exocet missile power.Top of the tree brakes etc. A bike for every occasion. Ticks my imagination on a new bike. I really didnt need new ideas in my head but, never too old. A brilliant choice.

Just need to sort out some money or it’s back to another Busa, but the more I read on the SX the more it seems what I’m after...

https://h2sxriders.net/derestricted-h2sx/
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Post by: grog on Sunday, 14 October 2018, 04:28 pm
Tony,roughly the price of Kawa
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Post by: Tony Nitrous on Sunday, 14 October 2018, 04:44 pm
Close to $35k is book price but I’ve seen them go for $33k.
There are two SX models but I think we only get the higher SE version in AU.

https://kawasaki.com.au/shop/motorcycles/supersport/2018-ninja-h2-sx-se/
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Post by: VladTepes on Sunday, 14 October 2018, 05:50 pm
That's about three times as much as I could justify on a bike. :(

Justify mind you, to the wife, but I would if I could....
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Post by: Sweaty on Sunday, 14 October 2018, 06:38 pm
If money is no object, then that looks like a great choice Tony  :onya:
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: Tony Nitrous on Monday, 22 October 2018, 05:11 pm
My local bike shop has a 220+hp de-restricted H2-SX and say they can arrange a test ride for me if I’m serious about buying either that demo bike or a new one.
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: KiwiCol on Monday, 22 October 2018, 05:24 pm
Hello lovely H2-SX, goodbye licence. . .
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: Tony Nitrous on Monday, 22 October 2018, 05:31 pm
“Its a smaller bike than I have now and is loaded with safety features” 

Need to practice that before I try it on the wife....  :rofl2:


(http://i64.tinypic.com/14jpyxx.jpg)

(http://i64.tinypic.com/2q83n75.jpg)
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: Kiwifruit on Monday, 22 October 2018, 07:52 pm
If you took $40k to the Kawasaki shop here you could buy that bike Tony......and have enough left over to buy 2L of milk, just !!
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: Tony Nitrous on Monday, 22 October 2018, 08:08 pm
If you took $40k to the Kawasaki shop here you could buy that bike Tony......and have enough left over to buy 2L of milk, just !!

$34,500(AU) for the brand new one.  Not sure about the 1000k demo model.
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Post by: Kiwifruit on Monday, 22 October 2018, 09:32 pm
Milk is so expensive...... :whatever:
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Post by: Tony Nitrous on Thursday, 08 November 2018, 07:58 pm
https://h2sxriders.net/2019-kawasaki-ninja-h2-sx-se-plus-announced/

(http://i63.tinypic.com/1tr19u.jpg)

https://www.cycleworld.com/2019-kawasaki-ninja-h2-sx-se-completes-h2-lineup#page-6

“The Ninja H2 SX SE+ has smartphone compatibility and integration, found throughout the Kawasaki lineup this year. Using Rideology The App, a number of instrument functions can be accessed, logged, and reviewed.
Vehicle information can be viewed. A riding log is integrated to hold detailed data, route, distance, and time traveled, and riding conditions can be logged. Vehicle settings can be made on your smartphone and then applied before riding as well, along with shift settings, Ride Mode, and Electronic Suspension settings.
The app can also be used when away from the motorcycle. Logging information while you ride with the app on, and implementing any changes made via the app while the engine is off or out of range as soon as the ignition is turned on and the smartphone is in range with the app on.
Finally, the Ninja H2 SX SE+ benefits from Kawasaki’s Highly Durable Paint. This new paint has a special topcoat that allows some scratches to repair themselves. The self-healing is achieved through microscopic soft and hard segments within the topcoat working like a chemical spring, allowing the paint to absorb impact”

Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: KiwiCol on Friday, 09 November 2018, 01:54 am
Sounds very trick to me.  Soon you'll be able to load a new fuel map via an app or completely de-restrict it with a touch on your cell phone screen. 

You'd hope that it only responds to one app, not someone who also has it & goes about changing the setting on others bikes, or worse, does it 'on the fly' whilst it's being ridden.

No worry for me though, I'd never be able to afford one of those anyway, plus I wouldn't be able to do justice to a bike like that.
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Post by: ARH on Friday, 09 November 2018, 03:39 am
Agree Col!   It’s a nice bike an’all.... but would be wasted on me...
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Post by: grog on Friday, 09 November 2018, 07:25 pm
amazing tech but also wasted on me. self healing paint, my 14 could do with that.
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Post by: Irish in Oz on Friday, 09 November 2018, 07:35 pm
My car has all that smart phone app stuff and a touch screen an a turbo and electronic drive, but it doesn't have self healing paint, but it is still a lot cheaper than the Kawasaki.
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: Kiwifruit on Friday, 09 November 2018, 08:04 pm
Wish my house had self healing paint.
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Post by: grog on Friday, 09 November 2018, 08:32 pm
i agree Col, my house needs a paint. such a waste of money but necessary.
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: Tony Nitrous on Saturday, 10 November 2018, 05:18 am
LOL, yeah, I bought 2 new cars last year, both cheaper than the Kawasaki, but they really aren’t anything special though.

I’m not sure why I like the Kwak, I’m normaly a Luddite who dismissed high tech unnecessary stuff and prefers simple basic designs.

The suspension is interesting. Being able to react to how it’s being used, as well as being able to go from sport, to comfort, to pillion in the touch of a buttom, I’m too lazy to be adjusting mine very often.

At the moment it’s all just if’s and maybe’s. I haven’t seen a release date or price on the “X” version, and I don’t have the cash until the end of the year and I’m looking at other stuff too.

I can’t get my head around buying one Kwak for the price of 2 brand new Hayabusa’s. That just seems wrong to a Suzuki lover... LOL
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Post by: Kiwifruit on Saturday, 10 November 2018, 04:18 pm
This caught my eye today......... :whatever:
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: Batkwaka on Saturday, 10 November 2018, 06:08 pm
Took a quick look at the deals on the new Katana but a 12 litre fuel tank is a joke, no way I'd part with the GSX1400 for one.
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: Tony Nitrous on Sunday, 11 November 2018, 07:05 am
Took a quick look at the deals on the new Katana but a 12 litre fuel tank is a joke, no way I'd part with the GSX1400 for one.

Yeah. I was looking at a photoshop of one with a few mods, looked a bit more aggressive, but stuff like the tiny tank and the cost of bringing the motors spec up to “entertaining” and the similar GSX-S bikes overall size made me dismiss it.
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: Tony Nitrous on Wednesday, 14 November 2018, 04:55 pm
Australia never got the base model H2-SX,   we only got the “added extras” H2-SX-SE.

Local shop says the new “+” version is looking like being the only one on sale next year. No base model SX or current SX-SE,  just the H2-SX-SE+.

(What ever happened to names like Zephyrs, Ninja’s etc, why these stupid Alphabetti Spaghetti names !)

Price is expected to be similar to the current model, and availability is hopefully next Feb.
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Post by: KiwiCol on Wednesday, 14 November 2018, 07:17 pm
Like Fast, Faster & Fastest.     Dear, Dearer or Dearest?   :happy1:
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: VladTepes on Thursday, 15 November 2018, 10:54 am
Yeah the fuel tank on the Katana makes it a completely non-starter for me even if I had the $.

What ever happened to names like Zephyrs, Ninja’s etc, why these stupid Alphabetti Spaghetti names !

Yes indeed.

More imagination needed in both design (to include practicality) as well as nomenclature.
 
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: Tony Nitrous on Monday, 10 December 2018, 03:55 pm
Just got off the phone to my local H2 dealership. They currently have the SE at AU$34,500.  They said the  2019 SE+ will be listed at AU$38,000.


 :confused1: ???
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: Sweaty on Monday, 10 December 2018, 06:59 pm
Looking at reviews & specs etc, I’m starting to think the 2018 Yamaha MT-09 Tracer GT is ticking all the box’s.
Good mix of fun & touring with panniers & quickshifter as standard as I’m starting to think more about trips away.
Great reviews as well.
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: Sweaty on Monday, 10 December 2018, 07:42 pm
This is a nice looking GSX-S at a great price too. Pity there are so many issues with the snatchy throttle on this model. Some seem to be able to sort it, and others are basically selling due to this.

https://www.bikesales.com.au/bikes/details/2016-Suzuki-GSX-S1000F/SSE-AD-5715606?DistFromLoc=2768&pageSource=details&id=SSE-AD-5715606
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Post by: KiwiCol on Tuesday, 11 December 2018, 01:45 am
Looking at reviews & specs etc, I’m starting to think the 2018 Yamaha MT-09 Tracer GT is ticking all the box’s.
Good mix of fun & touring with panniers & quickshifter as standard as I’m starting to think more about trips away.
Great reviews as well.
Bloke I work with has just recently brought a new MT-09. He loves most it of course, except the seat, just too hard & not enough padding, ya can get an upgraded seat for another grand it was I think he said. I noticed it was quiet & smooth sounding, but also looked 'smallish' with him on it & he's not a big guy, about 70kg wringing wet.  Just what I noticed, I also like the bike, but if I as going new, I'd probably go for an Explorer or maybe the GSA.
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: Andre on Tuesday, 11 December 2018, 02:39 am
Good he is only 70 kg. 179 kg can be loaded on it. The panniers are 12 kg.  167 kg you can add. Not something for the heavy guy with pillion and luggage.
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: Tony Nitrous on Tuesday, 11 December 2018, 03:52 am
This is a nice looking GSX-S at a great price too. Pity there are so many issues with the snatchy throttle on this model. Some seem to be able to sort it, and others are basically selling due to this.

https://www.bikesales.com.au/bikes/details/2016-Suzuki-GSX-S1000F/SSE-AD-5715606?DistFromLoc=2768&pageSource=details&id=SSE-AD-5715606

I don’t mind the 1000F.   
All the GSX-S owners I’ve met have got the fueling fixed.

My view on the GSX1000 range is whilst they are certainly good bikes, they don’t do anything brilliantly.
Not a high performance bike, not a big fuel tank, not brilliant for pillions and luggage, not high tech, not dirt cheap.  I do like them and see why folk buy them but they just come across as yet another of that type.   I’d imagine that it would be a very good bike to own and live with, it’s just not something I get excited about.

Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: Kiwifruit on Tuesday, 11 December 2018, 07:43 am
Also cast my eye over the MT09. Not having sat on one but feel we have been spoiled with the room we have on the 14. The boss says she sits with her hands in her lap much of the time, dont think that could happen on the MT09. The real test would be, could she carry a box of beer (low carb, low alcohol) with the bike already fully loaded.  :facepalm:
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: Sweaty on Tuesday, 11 December 2018, 11:23 am
Always good to get others feed back and views  :onya:

The seat is one of the issues addressed for the 2018 model onwards and does look a lot more comfortable (looks can be deceiving though:)

https://www.cycleonline.com.au/2018/09/03/upgraded-2018-yamaha-tracer-900-models-land-in-dealerships/

I wouldn’t blow that much on a New one, but just thinking if it is a bike to keep an eye on for a low km used one next year sometime.

Tony, I do like the look of the 1000F once it has been touched up and would also think about that if I knew the previous owner had the fueling issues sorted.
The reality is, I am only just dreaming really, but would only be after a good all rounder, not that concerned with high performance or pillion etc, but the luggage side would be an issue.

Thanks for the input boys.



Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: Kiwifruit on Tuesday, 11 December 2018, 02:39 pm
Well l did speak to the bloke at Suzuki. He said "you don't need a bigger bike, just loose some weight you fat bastard" as for the fuel tank..... l didnt even go there  :facepalm:
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: Sweaty on Tuesday, 11 December 2018, 02:59 pm
 :rofl2:
It's just the cut & colour of your shirt Col, swap shirts with your new mate  :whistling:
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: KiwiCol on Tuesday, 11 December 2018, 03:25 pm
Which one is you Col?   :lol:

Have a look, even the Christmas decorations spell Merry Christmas in English & not Japanese, that's interesting.


So what bike is it you're standing beside?  Small wee light, don't recognise it.
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: Tony Nitrous on Tuesday, 11 December 2018, 03:52 pm

So what bike is it you're standing beside?  Small wee light, don't recognise it.

The headlight looks like an old Korean Hyosung 250, so I’m guessing it’s a new GSXR ?

  :stir:
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: grog on Tuesday, 11 December 2018, 07:14 pm
Sweaty. 2 yrs ago i did all the test rides to find a 14 replacement. gsx 1000, mt09, mt07, mv brutale, bmw r1200r, bonneville, wasted a whole saturday. xjr yam, was nice in black/silver. even rode a moto guzzi. end result was the best i rode all day was the old dunger in my shed. the ride home was much nicer than those others. just lately rode my mates kawasaki gtr 1400. 2017 model. that thing is a lot of steps above any bike ive ever ridden. no words to describe how good. just my opinion.
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: Tony Nitrous on Tuesday, 11 December 2018, 07:26 pm
Go on any one model forum and a large % of the owners will tell you how great their bike is and how they wouldn’t swap it for anything else, but I really believe that with the GSX1400 and the Hayabusa it’s a very valid statement. Neither bike suit every rider, but for the owners that love them, they are bikes that are very hard to upgrade from.

Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: grog on Tuesday, 11 December 2018, 07:44 pm
Tony, not owning a Busa, i find my 14 not lacking in much. That big Kawa is unreal but it is big, has a big fairing. Would lose my licence in no time. I just prefer my naked 14. Diavel is in shed to ride, as said before, i only ride it to keep battery charged. Its just not nice to ride, it sure can go, sure can stop. i take 14 out much more than Diavel. Effort to ride one, pleasure to ride other. To me , riding is about pleasure.
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: Tony Nitrous on Tuesday, 11 December 2018, 08:11 pm
Isn’t the 1400GTR another victim of the Euro4 cull of non compliance models.

I think it’s at the end of its lifetime now.
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: Kiwifruit on Tuesday, 11 December 2018, 10:08 pm
Would like to put this in my hand luggage. They do spin my wheels  :smitten:
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: Kiwifruit on Tuesday, 11 December 2018, 10:21 pm
Here's another one for you Tony.
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: Kiwifruit on Tuesday, 11 December 2018, 10:36 pm
The chap that l am standing next to could not have been nicer. We spoke for a while about new bikes and any plans the company had for something along the lines of the 14 in the future.  I showed him a couple of photo l had of our bike loaded up when we travelled the South Island a couple of years ago. Think he was surprised by the amount of luggage we.had on it. I said all the new Suzuki bikes are small for touring with a pillion. He shrugged his shoulders and said really the only new bike coming was the new Katana.
Yes to the GSXR we are standing nextt to. Did'nt take a side on photo as l was keen to get to the race machines.
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: Tony Nitrous on Wednesday, 12 December 2018, 03:40 am
Would like to put this in my hand luggage. They do spin my wheels  :smitten:

(http://i68.tinypic.com/2j1khv6.jpg)
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Post by: Sweaty on Wednesday, 12 December 2018, 05:51 am
You have to be kidding  :shocked:
Where is that Tony?
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: Kiwifruit on Wednesday, 12 December 2018, 06:00 am
Sorry, did'nt realise you already had one.  :doh:
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: KiwiCol on Wednesday, 12 December 2018, 07:16 am
You have to be kidding  :shocked:
Where is that Tony?
Irish's shed!
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: Irish in Oz on Friday, 14 December 2018, 12:45 am

[/quote]Irish's shed!
[/quote]

Well my Katana is long gone and now in Pete's shed. And I have to say I will probably never put another one in it unless I bought it very cheap. They are not a practical bike to ride.
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: Sweaty on Friday, 14 December 2018, 07:04 am
Your showing your age now Jeff, with all this practical & sensible talk  :grin:
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: Irish in Oz on Friday, 14 December 2018, 07:30 am
Your showing your age now Jeff, with all this practical & sensible talk  :grin:

Sweety, I never had one back in the day only the 1100EF later in 1984, enjoyed it comfort big fairing and grunt and all the wallowing and 150 mph wobbles when I put the Michelins on, it did 160 before that but it was always scary pushing it through that barrier.
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: Sweaty on Friday, 14 December 2018, 07:43 am
Your showing your age now Jeff, with all this practical & sensible talk  :grin:

Sweety, I never had one back in the day only the 1100EF later in 1984, enjoyed it comfort big fairing and grunt and all the wallowing and 150 mph wobbles when I put the Michelins on, it did 160 before that but it was always scary pushing it through that barrier.

Wallowing & wobbling at 250-260 kph  :shocked: Ahhhh, that's not for me. My testicles are quite small.  :laugh:
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: Tony Nitrous on Friday, 18 January 2019, 01:55 pm
240hp with an air filter and end can, de-restricted and remapped..

 :drool:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GzIvJEfnmWA
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: grog on Friday, 18 January 2019, 07:27 pm
Too much for me Tony. Calming down in older age is my project. I love 14 grunt, Diavel in shed sure can move. My next choice, no idea. 
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: Tony Nitrous on Saturday, 19 January 2019, 05:57 am
Too much for me Tony. Calming down in older age is my project. I love 14 grunt, Diavel in shed sure can move. My next choice, no idea.

They are getting more of a horsepower following than I expected. They aren’t going to touch a (turbo) Busa for stupid numbers but folk seem to be really getting into hotting them up.

There’s an intercooler kit under development (similar to the one available for the H2), and folk are fitting ZX10R headers and uprated supercharger gears as well as the growing choice of cans, filters and ECU maps.

I thought the price would seriously cap their popularity or sales more than it has but I’m seeing more of them on the road and on line than I expected.

https://www.cycleworld.com/best-open-class-streetbike-2018-kawasaki-ninja-h2-sx-se

(http://i63.tinypic.com/2u4prux.jpg)
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Post by: T 24 on Saturday, 19 January 2019, 06:35 pm


There’s an intercooler kit under development (similar to the one available for the H2), and folk are fitting ZX10R headers and uprated supercharger gears as well as the growing choice of cans, filters and ECU maps.



(http://i63.tinypic.com/2u4prux.jpg)
Those are normal tuning things.
But has anyone removed those plastics? Now it doesn't even look like a motorcycle. It's coyote ugly now. IMO.
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Post by: Tony Nitrous on Saturday, 19 January 2019, 07:02 pm
I’d be interested in a 220+hp naked bike,
It wouldn’t be a surprise if Kawasaki did one.
Something to out do the RSV, S1R, Super Duke etc.

They have done the crazy sportsbikes, the crazy tourer, a crazy naked to top that class too wouldn’t be too hard to do.

I haven’t see a naked / Streetfightered one yet, but I’m sure it will happen.
I’ve seen 2 or 3 damaged ones but they either went for big money or couldn’t be re-registered.

The H2 SX’s looks don’t bother me. I’ve had Busa’s, a B-King, Streetfighters and plenty of bikes (including my own 14) that wouldn’t win any beauty contests. I’m not fussed, I’m a rider, and how a bike performs is waaay more important than how it looks at the pub or cafe.
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: VladTepes on Monday, 21 January 2019, 09:22 am
If I'm ever old enough to think I need a faired bike these look ok (albeit not new)
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-0VjrOC1m2WI/U7csjPTb99I/AAAAAAAAPs8/p2gL0G4dCL0/s1600/BMW+K+1300+S+Motorsport+(2015)+Front+Side.jpg)
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: KiwiCol on Monday, 21 January 2019, 03:07 pm
175hp, 140nm (103'lb) 10.62 for the quarter.  No slouch!!   
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: Tony Nitrous on Monday, 21 January 2019, 04:19 pm
175hp, 140nm (103'lb) 10.62 for the quarter.  No slouch!!   

If you don’t mind the front suspension, shaft drive, and dealing with BMW mechanics and dealerships, and aren’t into modding and hotting up bikes.  They are OK. I tried the naked version but it didn’t suit me personally.
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: grog on Monday, 21 January 2019, 06:56 pm
Their sound puts me off, just different but i dont like it at all. 
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: VladTepes on Monday, 21 January 2019, 10:29 pm
I've never ridden one just like the looks of it.
Might have to find one at a dealer (yes I know they are 2nd hand now) sometime and do a test ride...
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: Tony Nitrous on Sunday, 27 January 2019, 08:24 am
Boris.....  :grin:

https://www.bikeme.tv/index.php/2018-kawasaki-h2sx-review-warp-speed-tourism/
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: Globalrider on Sunday, 27 January 2019, 01:28 pm
Just did the Vancouver Motorcycle Show - I want the R1250GS HP - other than that - I was looking for a new GSX1400 but sadly I'm the only one in North America with one a 2003! :rolleyes:
 :hat:
Stan   
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: grog on Thursday, 31 January 2019, 06:57 pm
Tony Nitrous, youve prob seen this but i thought a great option for your new bike. Brand new ride away. 15 1/2 k, mods are 13k. Would be unreal bike, cheaper than H2. And its a Suzuki. Just a thought, it sounds like awesome machine. https://www.bikesales.com.au/editorial/details/suzuki-gsx-s1200-review-58167/
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Post by: Tony Nitrous on Thursday, 31 January 2019, 07:22 pm
Tony Nitrous, youve prob seen this but i thought a great option for your new bike. Brand new ride away. 15 1/2 k, mods are 13k. Would be unreal bike, cheaper than H2. And its a Suzuki. Just a thought, it sounds like awesome machine. https://www.bikesales.com.au/editorial/details/suzuki-gsx-s1200-review-58167/

Yes. I’ve had my eye on the PTR conversion for a while. It’s interesting and would certainly be fun. Cheaper than the SX but doesn’t really do much better other than being naked and a Suzuki. The GSX-S is a pretty basic budget naked bike where the SX is a very clever higher performance sports tourer, luggage, cruise control, more horsepower, bigger tank, healing paint, clever ABS etc etc and the SX can do it with a quiet legal pipe that a GSX-S1200 can’t.

I would like a PTR  GSX-S, I’ve been drooling over them for ages, I know 2 folk with PTR’s GSX1400’s (1620cc) and I’ve always wanted one of his big bores, he does a Busa and B-King ones too, but I don’t see it as a match for a H2 other than price.

I still have a few weeks to decide.
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Post by: grog on Thursday, 31 January 2019, 08:28 pm
Tony, ive seached the PTR 1600 for 14. No real info. How much is price, performance , dyno etc. How do your mates rate the bigger motor?
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: Tony Nitrous on Thursday, 31 January 2019, 08:39 pm
Tony, ive seached the PTR 1600 for 14. No real info. How much is price, performance , dyno etc. How do your mates rate the bigger motor?

One had the bike on loan that did the rounds for RAPID magazine feature / road tests etc.

The other one bought a wreck and found out it had a 1600 kit on it !
It’s now the Bullfrog dragbike. A tribute bike to a 14 owner in another group who passed away.  I’ve heard good feedback. 

https://www.ptr.com.au/engine-packages/

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Post by: VladTepes on Friday, 01 February 2019, 01:49 pm
@Globalrider

Stan,

Sorry to break it to you, but ...

I was looking for a new GSX1400 but sadly I'm the only one in North America Canada with one a 2003! :rolleyes:
 :hat:
Stan

Yours is not the only 1400 in North America.
I was contacted by someone in the yoo ess ay who has one in Kansas.
I pointed him our way so hopefully we'll see him here.
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: Tony Nitrous on Friday, 01 February 2019, 05:22 pm
There was an early 14 in Canada, it was in a YouTube clip of it being road tested.
They were testing it as a potential import to see how the public and press reacted.
Not sure if it was returned or still there. It was a few years back.
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: grog on Friday, 01 February 2019, 07:05 pm
Mate at work looking for new bike. Was interested to buy GSX s 1000, then get the mods done PTR. Rang Suxuki today, none available for sale or test ride in Oz. Can that be right, they said no idea when new stock arriving. Not a good answer i thought. I bet he shows at work Monday with new something else. Suzuki just not doing things quite right at present. Kawa, Ducati, Triumph all have test and purchase bikes in stock. Annoys me.
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Post by: KiwiCol on Friday, 01 February 2019, 07:08 pm
I agree Grog, that's piss poor on their part. It's not like Aussie is a small place . . .
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Post by: Tony Nitrous on Friday, 01 February 2019, 07:28 pm
I agree Grog, that's piss poor on their part. It's not like Aussie is a small place . . .

Still no 2019 Hayabusa, despite being told by Suzuki Australia “watch this space for exciting news”.... about the arrival of the same old bike with a different fairing sticker.

I know Suzuki were struggling, the US car division was declared bankrupt, but I thought the return to MotoGP was a sign of them springing back, but their current line up is woeful.

I’m starting to think 1980 to 2008 are my Suzuki years.
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Post by: grog on Friday, 01 February 2019, 07:45 pm
what annoys me is i had workmate sold on gsx1000, PTR mods were within his budget, 28g was cost. he agreed better value than same sort of bucks for stock european, which he then would spend more on. wouldve been a superb bike the gsx. none around, he wants new. potential buyer, not now. very bad suxuki.ill bet he shows up with monster 1200, imagine his spends then. Zard on Diavel in my shed was 3g.
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: mjgt on Friday, 01 February 2019, 07:51 pm
what annoys me is i had workmate sold on gsx1000, PTR mods were within his budget, 28g was cost. he agreed better value than same sort of bucks for stock european, which he then would spend more on. wouldve been a superb bike the gsx. none around, he wants new. potential buyer, not now. very bad suxuki.ill bet he shows up with monster 1200, imagine his spends then. Zard on Diavel in my shed was 3g.

But the Monster 1200 is such a great bike and so much fun to ride.
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: Tony Nitrous on Saturday, 02 February 2019, 09:06 am
When I look at Ducati’s I see a lumpy V- twin, expensive to buy, expensive to service, that has a higher rate of recalls / faults than a Jap bike (fact) and won’t stand up to neglect or abuse like a big Jap bike, and in the case of the Monsters I’ve ridden, the midrange doesn’t make up for the lack of top end punch.

Each to their own, I know some folk love them but they do nothing for me.


https://motorbikewriter.com/motorcycle-safety-recalls-rise-2018/

... and ...

https://www.moneytalksnews.com/the-most-reliable-motorcycle-brand-not-harley/
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: Tony Nitrous on Saturday, 02 February 2019, 02:29 pm
The new Kawasaki system....

https://www.facebook.com/JonTheChron/videos/10156384451745432/
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: grog on Saturday, 02 February 2019, 05:23 pm
If i stumbled on $12 g, My 14 would get Phil Tainton 1600 kit, $10g, 160 rwhp, Brembo Monoblocks around 2g. That would be my dream bike, i could own that forever. Not that i wont own it forever as it is. 😂
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: Tony Nitrous on Saturday, 02 February 2019, 05:39 pm
If i stumbled on $12 g, My 14 would get Phil Tainton 1600 kit, $10g, 160 rwhp, Brembo Monoblocks around 2g. That would be my dream bike, i could own that forever. Not that i wont own it forever as it is. 😂

The Monoblocks would be worth more than my 14 !

I’d need to find a much nicer and less abused and tired 14 before PTR did their magic on it. ...... although it would be funny having a “crashed and bashed” Rat that went that hard.
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Post by: grog on Saturday, 02 February 2019, 06:26 pm
Tony, cant find any tests on 1600, you have mates with them. what is their opinion?
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: Tony Nitrous on Saturday, 02 February 2019, 06:56 pm
Tony, cant find any tests on 1600, you have mates with them. what is their opinion?

One went back to Suzuki who I think still owned it, it was a feature bike in RAPID magazine and had write ups in the mag. Someone I knew was writing for the mag at the time.

The other is in Perth. It’s now a full on dragbike, Built as a tribute to Jeremy, another ASF member who died on his GSX14 on the way to one of our meets.

Both have been in various magazines and might be somewhere online.

I’ll see what I can find.
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: Tony Nitrous on Saturday, 02 February 2019, 07:01 pm
(http://i66.tinypic.com/2euq2r5.jpg)

(http://i63.tinypic.com/27zitk4.jpg)
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Post by: VladTepes on Monday, 04 February 2019, 02:13 pm
I'd love the PTR treatment for my 14 too, but $10.5K is a metric shitload of cash, that I can't afford.

Be fun though :)
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: Tony Nitrous on Monday, 04 February 2019, 03:35 pm
I'd love the PTR treatment for my 14 too, but $10.5K is a metric shitload of cash, that I can't afford.

Be fun though :)

It’s only a bit over half the price of another new Busa.

It’s only about half and the price difference between a Busa and a H2 SX SE+.

It’s much less than a third of the price of a H2 SX SE+.

It’s sounds almost cheap when you put it like that... grab a bargain!
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: grog on Monday, 04 February 2019, 06:54 pm
Makes it sound cheap Tony. Wouldnt get too much new for that with 14 traded. Workmate been searching/riding for a new bike. He found a 12 mth old Yam mt10, owner injured, cant ride any more, car crash. 4 th ks, not a mark. Comfort seat fitted, full RG crash stuff, Heated grips, Full Akra, power commander with dyno sheet. Tyres changed to Rossos, $14g. I reckon he got a bargain, he does also.
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: Tony Nitrous on Monday, 04 February 2019, 08:18 pm
Yeah. The MT10 are probably the best of the Jap naked.
A few mods are they are even better.

That would be a good set up for $14g.
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: Globalrider on Saturday, 09 February 2019, 04:40 am
Thanks ! that is good to know!! Now WE have a an NA Club!!!! :grin: :rolleyes:

@Globalrider

Stan,

Sorry to break it to you, but ...

I was looking for a new GSX1400 but sadly I'm the only one in North America Canada with one a 2003! :rolleyes:
 :hat:
Stan

Yours is not the only 1400 in North America.
I was contacted by someone in the yoo ess ay who has one in Kansas.
I pointed him our way so hopefully we'll see him here.
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: mjgt on Saturday, 09 February 2019, 08:30 pm
Well if any of you want a more powerful bike and want to stick with Suzuki, how about this 202bhp offering.

https://www.morebikes.co.uk/55940/now-this-is-the-naked-suzuki-gsx-r1000r-weve-all-been-waiting-for-and-it-costs-just-over-17k/?utm_campaign=%28BA%29+MoreBikes+Newsletter+-+8FEB19&utm_source=emailCampaign&utm_medium=email&utm_content=
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: Tony Nitrous on Saturday, 09 February 2019, 08:44 pm
Well if any of you want a more powerful bike and want to stick with Suzuki, how about this 202bhp offering.

https://www.morebikes.co.uk/55940/now-this-is-the-naked-suzuki-gsx-r1000r-weve-all-been-waiting-for-and-it-costs-just-over-17k/?utm_campaign=%28BA%29+MoreBikes+Newsletter+-+8FEB19&utm_source=emailCampaign&utm_medium=email&utm_content=

Over AU$31,000 to street fighter a GSXR ?

I don’t think so.
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: VladTepes on Tuesday, 12 February 2019, 01:46 pm
It'd be good if Suzuki would offer it as a factory product, but as GSXR prices.
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: Tony Nitrous on Tuesday, 12 February 2019, 04:21 pm
It'd be good if Suzuki would offer it as a factory product, but as GSXR prices.

Maybe they will... fingers crossed.

They dicked around and dragged their feet for years and didn’t build the B-King after showing the concept version at shows. Lazareth in France started making them using Gen-1 Busa’s as a base. Then Suzuki started building them. I quite like the Lazareth version. Full size Busa tank not the B-King stupid 16.5ltr one too.

(http://i67.tinypic.com/2a7bjau.jpg)

Suzuki would rather wait a few years, add a smaller fuel tank, drop the horsepower and raise the price....  :facepalm:

Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: grog on Tuesday, 12 February 2019, 07:13 pm
Tomorrow bloke at works MT10 arrives. Really looking fwd to a ride. The looks, not sure, very modern. The rest, i reckon id like one. Apparently seat is terrible, this one has so called comfort seat fitted, should be ok. Tests rave about low down grunt, will let you know. Figures say that 14 has 94 ft lbs @ 5000 rpm, mt10 has 81 @9000. Diavel i ride, has 96@8800, Diavel needs to be spinning up in revs, but then just powers on. 14, as we know, will pull from any revs, any gear, just runs out of breath. 14 is much better ride in day to day stuff than Diavel, cant wait to try MT10. Excited. 63 year old in a beer hall, thats me.  :boogie:
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: VladTepes on Tuesday, 12 February 2019, 08:19 pm
That lazareth one is nice Tony.   :onya:
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: grog on Thursday, 14 February 2019, 07:07 pm
Today sampled mt10. amazing bike. looks much better for real than pics. stops, handles, goes, comfy, right size for me. this one cheats a bit, full akra with tune, a bit more power. has grunt from low revs, just like a 14, but top end is rocket ship stuff. would love some analoge gauges on it. old skool me. no helmet lock, not pillion friendly. sounds nice with akra. quick shifter worked well, something ive not tried b4. totally impressed, looks will cause comment but so nice bike i wouldnt care. the yamaha quality is something suzuki should study, way better. best new bike ive tried in last 10 yrs. ive tried lots.
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: Tony Nitrous on Thursday, 14 February 2019, 07:18 pm
I see the MT-10 as the best of the Jap naked bikes and the nearest thing to a proper Jap Sports Naked bike.
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: mjgt on Thursday, 14 February 2019, 07:28 pm
MT10 is a great bike, I've tried a couple and like them but I need a bike to carry a pillion and the yam can't cut it (seat to small and pegs too high), even my Ducati has a better pillion set up.
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: grog on Friday, 01 March 2019, 07:30 pm
Just update my mates MT10. Have fitted tail tidy, bar end mirrors. Akra link pipe. Had his standard suspension set to his weight by suspension guru, same weight as me by chance. Front pads to be changed, really not the best brakes but opinion is pads will fix. Agree not a pillion type bike. Is booked for a dyno set up. With suspension done and Akra link, much better than stock, i mean than my last ride. My next ride should be set perfect. I find the brakes very good but nowhere near Diavel. As a ride, just brilliant, smooth, powerfull, turns so nice. I love that bike.I also love my 14 but Diavel is a love/hate situation. Sorry to bore you blokes with my rants.   
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: Tony Nitrous on Friday, 01 March 2019, 07:35 pm
Grog, I have an interest in a lot of bikes.

Even the ones that really don’t suit me and I’d never buy.

Your reviews on the MT v 14 v Diavel are quite interesting,
something I do like about this forum is it’s certainly 1400 based, but open minded enough to discuss other makes and models.
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: KiwiCol on Saturday, 02 March 2019, 02:30 am
Same Tony.  I like reading your comparisons Grog.  It helps steer us lesser beings in the right direction should we be looking at another bike.  Keep 'em coming Grog.   :onya: :cheers:
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: Tony Nitrous on Sunday, 03 March 2019, 03:36 pm
New 2019 SE+ colours arrived in Canada.

I think I preferred the old model with lots more green.

Still the best bike I can find, just struggling not to choke on the price.

Should be in AU in the next few weeks.

(http://i67.tinypic.com/f03kus.jpg)
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: Tony Nitrous on Sunday, 03 March 2019, 03:40 pm
A friend of a friend / local owner who I’ve spoken to a few times.

Derestricted, air filter, ZX10R pipe, race can, dyno time, not sure if he’s done the ‘charger gears or anything else...

(http://i64.tinypic.com/nn5mjr.jpg)
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: Tony Nitrous on Sunday, 03 March 2019, 03:51 pm
For old blokes with knackered old bones and an unhealthy obsession with Renthals, ABM now do a top yoke conversion...

(http://i65.tinypic.com/2ah8dtz.gif)
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: grog on Sunday, 03 March 2019, 05:25 pm
Tony, really sounds like you want H2, just get one. Im prob lot older/ slower, not a lot i like. H2 for me, just wasted on me. I really like MT10, just a nice bike.  My 14 will always stay but wouldnt mind a 2nd. Thinking i wouldnt mind a challenge, something that is cruiser, needs attention often, i am a mechanic after all. Way back we kept old dungers going. Royal Enfield new twin Interceptor. Quite like them. Am i stupid, sound like fun
Title: Re: New bike / Next bike. Poor options.
Post by: Tony Nitrous on Sunday, 03 March 2019, 07:33 pm
Tony, really sounds like you want H2, just get one.

Yeah, I’m pretty keen. The model I want, the SE+, hasn’t hit the showrooms yet, should in the next few weeks, then there’s the price. Much as I do like it I’m not sure I’d get much more pleasure from actually riding it than a new Busa at half the price. 

It might be my last new bike as I want to do more with older Suzuki’s when I retire.